Curse

Sticky Noodle · Dec 17, 2009, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Hey guys I have been trying to set up some ranger teams and of course naturally I'd like input. I am running MM on my necro and imba on my para so they're not in the picture but i would like you guys to look at these ranger hero builds that I have tryed. With an orders derv theyre actually not bad with a few exceptions. If I get enough feedback I may post a "final" team build including my necro MM build (which I find to be simply amazing). Anyways here they are ^^

PS. dont worry about the first build its like that on purpose =p

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6...dtemplate2.jpg

Thank you! =D

upier · Dec 17, 2009, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Just throwing out some ideas:
1. Melee heroes have issues reaching their target, switching it, they are "hurt" even more by AoE, ... so that's the reason why they are normally not ran.
2. And even then I have to wonder if 14 expertise wouldn't be enough to fuel the energy attacks without having to use the elite on e-management? In which case you can go with WS as your elite.
3. When it comes to the para hero - I'd ask myself if you wouldn't be better off with a primary para? Make the guy also run command for GftE! which will give him unlimited energy, reduce the number of attacks to some 2/3, go with Aggressive Refrain, and maybe something like They're on Fire and Blazing Finale or Stand your Ground - for a nice damage reduction. The issue is that I don't see the point in filling up the para with like 5 pure damage skills when you could be doing so much more.
4. If you are running physicals - I would imagine your necro is providing either Splinter or Great Dwarf Weapon? You are also running additional physical heroes to make the most out of the Orders? And in which case - are you running ench and condition removal? How about switching the Orders dervish to a necro Orders guy with either Channeling (for Splinter and Ancestors') or Smiting support (for Smite Hex/Condition and Strength of Honor if you keep the melee guy)? That also gives you room for something like Rip Ench and Foul Feast.
5. What I also need to question are minions with physicals. Not only is the wall function of the minions not needed in such a case, if you were playing curses (the MoP nuker) you could be buffing the damage output of your physical heroes to a completely new level.

Sticky Noodle · Dec 18, 2009, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Just throwing out some ideas:
1. Melee heroes have issues reaching their target, switching it, they are "hurt" even more by AoE, ... so that's the reason why they are normally not ran.
2. And even then I have to wonder if 14 expertise wouldn't be enough to fuel the energy attacks without having to use the elite on e-management? In which case you can go with WS as your elite.
3. When it comes to the para hero - I'd ask myself if you wouldn't be better off with a primary para? Make the guy also run command for GftE! which will give him unlimited energy, reduce the number of attacks to some 2/3, go with Aggressive Refrain, and maybe something like They're on Fire and Blazing Finale or Stand your Ground - for a nice damage reduction. The issue is that I don't see the point in filling up the para with like 5 pure damage skills when you could be doing so much more.
4. If you are running physicals - I would imagine your necro is providing either Splinter or Great Dwarf Weapon? You are also running additional physical heroes to make the most out of the Orders? And in which case - are you running ench and condition removal? How about switching the Orders dervish to a necro Orders guy with either Channeling (for Splinter and Ancestors') or Smiting support (for Smite Hex/Condition and Strength of Honor if you keep the melee guy)? That also gives you room for something like Rip Ench and Foul Feast.
5. What I also need to question are minions with physicals. Not only is the wall function of the minions not needed in such a case, if you were playing curses (the MoP nuker) you could be buffing the damage output of your physical heroes to a completely new level.

Thank you for your input. I honestly was thinking about actually making the para hero a para but the thing is with this build I'm trying to take PvP-style condition pressure and use it in PvE but I think your right about changing it to a paragon, if I did that I could actually go P/Me and use epidemic (and possibly FD) and throw in some shouts with it. That being said I would stick with around 3/4 conditions in order to use FD or epidemic properly.

Regarding my melee, its true; melee heroes are awful and have a problem attacking the right target. But two things: 1. with a condition spammer (soon to be P/Me =D) attacking other targets usually doesn't matter as either way they'll be making a difference (especially because of expertise, their attacks are nearly no energy, the elite is a help for reasons I'll explain). Now the elite some people may say is trivial. However it turns out they pretty much need it. I decided to try that exact build out on my friends ranger and (even with a zealous scythe) after using all the attacks I actually ran out of energy and by the time they all recharged I still needed more energy for constant spam but when I used Scavenger's Focus it became easy to wipe out a group of enemies so the elite is definetly helpful. WS is pointless because those two conditions are already in place and spamming them I find is rather useless (pious assault = deep wound & barbed spear = bleeding).

Now I think your absolutely right about what to run on my necro (I should've thought of it!). I will definetly run a SS nuker/utility build on my necro. Thanks for your suggestions!

The Drunkard · Dec 18, 2009, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Dark fury is a little useless without a lot of adrenel skills and becomes more of a burden to keep the order derv alive. I'd reccomend either change it out, add war hench ies to your team, or swap out the r/d.